Treating Social Anxiety in Adults with Autism with MDMA and LSD – Voices in the Dark


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Caution!!

A few important notes. This is an episode of an individual experimenting with powerful drugs to see if he can get any sort of relief from autism. In this case, it appears to have been successful. That said, this came with a substantial amount of risks, and people need to be aware. Please read the below bullets so you understand. 

  • Autism is not what is treated. The thing being treated would be a symptom like social anxiety.
  • “The field of autism science includes a long and shameful history of quack treatments and parents taking desperate and harmful measures to “fix” their children. Autism is a spectrum of congenital and neurocognitive variants, and there are no published research data in support of any compound that can influence its course.” Alicia Danforth, PhD
  • Please do not administer these drugs to children with autism.
  • There are only two researchers investigating where MDMA and autism meet – Alicia Danforth PhD and Dr. Charlie Grob. A scientific paper will likely be available on this in the next few months. Expect to see more here. 
  • These drugs have not been shown to cure or treat autism, but in some cases, just like with neuro-typical individuals, some have seen meaningful changes. 
  • Even if changes are noticed the person is still autistic no matter how many high doses of psychedelics they take.
  • Obtaining pure drugs is very difficult if not impossible in black markets.
    • Verifying purity will require the resources of mass spectrometry from organizations offering these services like Energy Control or Ecstasy Data
    • Providing unsafe, dirty or compromised drugs to people can cause serious harm or death.
  • If you are planning to use MDMA to alleviate some suffering on your own, please wait or don’t.
  • Do substantial research and have skilled people available to help. 

Thanks to Alicia Danforth for helping us understand the nuance’s in this area.


..autism is a genetically determined cognitive variant. It’s pervasive, and it affects the whole person, not just the brain. No chemical compound has been shown to treat, cure, or alter the course of autism. However, for some people, substances like MDMA can help them manage symptoms such as anxiety, social anxiety, and trauma effects. – Alicia Danforth, Ph.D


Introduction

Joe Moore and Kyle Buller interview Jon and Dre of the Voices in the Dark podcast out of England. The discussion addresses treating symptoms of autism with MDMA and LSD, what types of doses were used, and how to in part do it safely. Note there are always risks with any kind of drug. Learn the basics over at our Navigating Psychedelics course.  

3 Key Points:

  1. A lot of autism is sensory overload. As far as emotions are concerned, “we “see potentially too many things in other people’s faces.” – Dre
  2. A good range for MDMA dosages is between 100mg and not going over  200mg.
  3. 125 micrograms per drop of liquid LSD, and not going above 250 micrograms is recommended.


Show Notes

      • Jon’s first psychedelic experience shifted his academic career path and helped him to deal with depression.
      • Dre first tried MDMA as a first step and it unlocked emotional empathy.
      • Sensory overload is a lot of autism according to Dre.
      • Jon’s experiences with MDMA made him feel like himself without the fear and the worry.
      • MDMA and LSD at the same time didn’t feel as emotional when combined to Jon.
      • 125 micrograms per drop of liquid LSD, and not going above 250 micrograms is recommended.
      • Democratising psychedelic therapy is where Joe would like to see the industry go.
      • Jon is against the fetishizing of any particular concept of belief system in its totality.
      • Jon is excited that he is starting to see more types of research on LSD/MDMA and autism.
      • Dre’s experiences have shifted his autism by feeling that he has a foot in both worlds to know how living without it feels in his mind.

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At Voices in the Dark, we bring you powerful, mind- and soul-expanding conversations about real life psychology, philosophy, psychedelics, spirituality, social dynamics and much more.

We’re a podcast, a blog, and a community of likeminded individuals who want to become the best versions of themselves. We’re dedicated to never stop Learning How To Human.

Our mission is to entertain, provoke, inform, and make you question everything you think you know.

DRE

A disturbingly quick study in most fields, Dre’s autism made learning people more of a challenge. The works of Robert Greene shone a light on the otherwise deeply confusing world of other people’s psyches, transforming the world around him into something which finally made sense.

JON

After spending far too many years in educational institutions, Jon got a PhD in History but is now finally learning something about the real world and the people in it. He always felt that science and scholarship needed more dick jokes and is on a mission to redress that balance. He writes, talks, travels, sings, and has a problematic relationship with cake and coffee.

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